Member of ISOGG
The Family Line of Georgius/George Maule possibly of Panemure, Scotland migrating to England
DNA Test Kit# 14125
*Family lines of descent with photos included at bottom of page.
Haplogroup R1b1b2a1b4c
Please visit the Maule Family Website
PANEL 1 (1-12)
| Locus | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 |
| DYS# | 393 | 390 | 19* | 391 | 385a | 385b | 426 | 388 | 439 | 389-1 | 392 | 389-2 |
| Alleles | 13 | 24 | 15 | 11 | 10 | 14 | 12 | 12 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 27 |
PANEL 2 (13-25)
| Locus | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 |
| DYS# | 458 | 459a | 459b | 455 | 454 | 447 | 437 | 448 | 449 | 464a** | 464b** | 464c** | 464d** |
| Alleles | 16 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 11 | 25 | 15 | 17 | 31 | 15 | 15 | 16 | 18 |
PANEL 3 (26-37)
| Locus | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 | 34 | 35 | 36 | 37 |
| DYS# | 460 | GATA H4 | YCA II a | YCA II b | 456 | 607 | 576 | 570 | CDY a | CDY b | 442 | 438 |
| Alleles | 11 | 11 | 19 | 19 | 17 | 15 | 18 | 17 | 36 | 37 | 12 | 12 |
12 Marker Comparisons
25 Marker Compariosons
32 and 37 Marker Results
Kits C4BMF, 3W275 & C4BMF were not tested through the same facility. They had 43 markers tested, but not all were the same as those tested at FTDna, so I can only provide comparisons for those markers which were duplicated.
Family Gedcom Outline
*1st Generation
George Maule aka Georgius
b. 1580
d.
bur.
m.
Spouse. Margery Cropper aka Croper
*2nd Generation
Thomas Maule
b. 1606
d.
bur.
m.
Spouse. Susannah Throckmorton
*3rd Generation
Thomas Maule
b. 1643
d. 1724
bur.
m. October 6, 1713
Spouse. Sarah Kendall
*4th Generation
Thomas Maule
b. 1720
d. 1765
bur.
m. August 10, 1753
Spouse. Zillah Walker
*5th Generation
Daniel Maule
b. 1754
d.1810
bur.
m. March 14, 1766
Spouse. Hannah Brown
*6th Generation
Israel Maule
b. 1778
d. 1828
bur.
m. May 5, 1801
Spouse. Ann Garrigues
*7th Generation
William Maule
b. 1804
d. 1875
m. May 6, 1828
Spouse. Mary Randolph
*8th Generation
Edward R. Maule
Edward Randolph Maule
b. 1831
d. 1910
m. February 11, 1861
Spouse. Caroline Hartman Weyman
*9th Generation
Randolph W. Maule
Randolph Weyman Maule
b. 1861
d. 1934
bur.
m. February 24, 1855
Spouse. Mary J. Hickey
*10th Generation
Randolph A. Maule
Randolph Alosysius Maule
b. 1890
d. 1955
bur.
m. July 14, 1909
Spouse. Teresa Katherine Foley
*11th Generation
Edward Randolph George Maule
b. 1923
d. 2002
bur.
m. April 27, 1946
Spouse. Jennie Elisabeth Zappone
*12th Generation
James Edward Maule
Living
I’m working on my oldest common ancestor. Currently, it is a George Manly of Devon, UK who was born about 1624 and appears in the FamilySearch.org database. He was the father of Lazarus Manley, who was the father of John Manley Sr of Dorset, the father of John Manley Jr, Ira Manley (these are Dorset, VT folks) , and so on to me, Jim Manley of Claremont, CA.
But a Georgius Maule of Buckinghamshire, UK has appeared because of a DNA match My deep-clade haplotype is R1b1b2a1b4c1; Kit 14125 is that minus the last “1″ — suggesting a close connection). I am wondering whether there is a family relation there and possibly to Patrick Maule and the Lairds of Panmure. Anything light you can shed on Lazarus’ father and grandfather would be most welcome. The key is whether there is a connection to George Manly about 1624.
My GEDCOM, etc., can be found in the “Manley” project on FamilyDNA.com. Many thanks for any light you can shed on this!
Best Regards,
Jim Manley
Best,
Jim Manley
Jim,
Without your Kit number I cannot figure out how to find your gedcom on familydna.com. In fact, that site is a “hitfarm” site without any information. So I went to manleydna.com where the spreadsheets are and I think you may be 98092. Close deep clade, variant markers. Can you give me a URL to the gedcom?
Jim
My apologies! It’s only been a year since your kind reply — which I have just now picked up as my attention and enthusiasm has been re-stoked with the many new tools on this webiste.
My Kit # is 181005. I was struck by how close the haplotypes were. Mine is R1b1a2a1a1b3c1. Your kit is R1b1a2a1a1b3c. That shows I am a descendent. The question is how and in what way.
Best,
Jim
Jim,
This is a PS. I uploaded my GED to the rootsweb. See http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jcmanley
Is there a place on this website to upload a GED?
Best,
Jim
Jim, in order to upload your gedcom, you need to send it to me. I will add it to the all in one, listed by your kit number.
Hey Jim, just found these records available @ http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/Search/results.aspx
Not sure if you have them already or not, but thought I’d share, just in case.
Interesting to me is the fact that the DNA seems proof positive that a good number of our project members are positively Northern Ireland/Ulster.. so, in short, Scot Irish. Once more, seemingly indicative of a connection back there somewhere between these surnames.
1 MAULD (MAULE) MARY 16/01/1694 MRS, DAUGHTER LAWFUL TO THE DECEASED MR. HENDRIE M., OF BALMAKELLIE, [SECOND SON TO PATRICK MAULE, EARL OF PANMURE] TESTAMENT TESTAMENTAR AND INVENTORY; INCLUDES EIK DATED 26/12/1700 EDINBURGH COMMISSARY COURT CC8/8/80
2 MAULE HELLENOUR 11/03/1665 RELICT OF MR. ALEXANDER MORIESON OF PRESTONGRANGE TESTAMENT TESTAMENTAR AND INVENTORY EDINBURGH COMMISSARY COURT CC8/8/71
3 MAULE GEORGE 06/09/1676 EARL OF PANMURE …INCLUDES EIK CONFIRMED 30/01/1678 BRECHIN COMMISSARY COURT CC3/4/7B
4 MAULE EUPHAN 19/07/1671 OR EUPHAME, AND ANDREW PATERSON, IN AUCHINLEK, HER SPOUSE … BRECHIN COMMISSARY COURT CC3/4/7A
5 MAULE CHRISTIAN 21/02/1570 RELICT OF DAVID BLANTYRE, OF LEGISLAND TESTAMENT DATIVE AND INVENTORY EDINBURGH COMMISSARY COURT CC8/8/2
6 MAULE WILLIAME 21/06/1620 MERCHANT, BURGESS OF EDINBURGH TESTAMENT DATIVE AND INVENTORY EDINBURGH COMMISSARY COURT CC8/8/50
7 MAULE HARIE 22/07/1652 SOMETIME KEEPER OF THE SIGNET TESTAMENT DATIVE AND INVENTORY EDINBURGH COMMISSARY COURT CC8/8/66
8 MAULE GEORGE 22/10/1686 EARL OF PANMURE TESTAMENT TESTAMENTAR & INVENTORY BRECHIN COMMISSARY COURT CC3/3/7
9 MAULE PATRICK 25/02/1664 EARL OF PANMURE TESTAMENT DATIVE & INVENTORY BRECHIN COMMISSARY COURT
Interesting! Thank you so much. I look forward to tracing the individuals you mentioned. You have also got me thinking. The closeness of the haplotypes between my kit and 14125 led me to think the descent must have been direct from the 1580 Maule via Thomas. But might it be that the 1580 Maule was not the MRCA? In which case there is an older MRCA from whom both Georgius Maule (b 1580) and George Manly (b 1624) are descended.
But is that consistent with the closeness of the two haplotypes which differ by the “1″. (R1b1a2a1a1b3c1 – mine; R1b1a2a1a1b3c – #14125). The “1″ certainly means “descendent of”. But does it mean “direct descendant of”? or “in the family who share the MRCA”? Inquiring minds need to know.
Best,
Jim (of Claremont)
Hello Jim and Cathy,
We’ve always thought that Maule/Mauley/Manley/Manly/and so on were the same family. Now we’re making progress. The other day I asked ftdna to run some more tests, including one that will determine what number follows the “final c” in my haplotype.On the other other hand, when I ask ftdna’s online match system to match my DYS values, I come up empty. I can’t figure out how to ask the ftdna software to match the DYS values of your kit and my kit. I went to ysearch.org (to which I uploaded my info from ftdna some time ago) but there are no Manleys listed. There are many, many people with the same haplotype, all with very different names, so I’m not sure how far this will get us. For example, someone with the name Mamedaliev from Kazakhstan is R1b1a2a1a1b3c. Incidentally, not only are there other people who have a “1″ after the final c, there are people with an “a” after that “1″! I think the MRCA for this haplotype is back many years. That’s why I did the test for L562, a marker suggested by researchers at the R1b-U152 project. They think that marker will indicate an MRCA at about 2500 years ago. So, I think that Maule, Manly, and hundreds of other surnames go back to some guy 2500 years ago. Progress, but not enough, yet. — Jim
HELLO! I am so pleased to find someone working to trace the “Manley, Manly” family back as far as possible. I can trace back to George Manley (1624), then William I. Manley, then John Manley, etc.. etc… One question.. The family crest? How far or where can you trace that back to?? And what does the hand signify?
Thanks and God Bless,
Brian L. Manley
Muskogee, OK
born 3/26/1979
@ Jim Maule and Brian Manley,
Many thanks for your posts! I’ve been a bit inactive but I’m delighted to rejoin this thread.
For Brian, George Manly (b. 1624) had two sons who emigrated to the US: Lazarus and William. I’m descended from Lazarus. Hi Cousin!
For Jim Maule, I’ll do the M228.2 test and that will fill in the “*” in my hapoltype R1b1a2a1a1b3c1*. I appreciate your comments about the other names (including the one from Khazakstan) who are close hapolotype matches. This is a little more complicated than I thought.
I haven’t been able to find anything on the parents of George Manly. Who knows, maybe it was the son of Georgius Maule, Thomas(b. 1606). He would have been 18 in 1624.
Best,
Jim Manley (of Claremont)